Some comments on EEOC

ILWU listbot discussion
24 Feb 2000

This is really sad. Paying people $30,000 to fail a simple test. And putting them ahead of some of the casuals who did pass. This forces the casuals to counter sue to protect themselves. And the rank and file have to pay.

Sad, Sad, Sad.

Chuck Kole 6752


What a disgrace! I cannot decide who is more scandalous, the EEOC or the people attempting to sue their way into the union.

John Mattera


Woe is me for I’m a Chicano or as more commonly called in today’s political arenas ‘Latino’ who passed the T. A. B. E. Along with many other casual minorities down at the Causal Hall in the LA / Long Beach Port.

The statistics may have shown that the “minority” races have had lower test results than those who bubbled in with the #2 pencil that they were white, but if you look at the SAT statistics you would notice the same results. However the SAT is still widely used on the West coast as the main deciding factor in which students are allowed to enroll in public and private higher learning institutions. If the people who looked at the statistics regarding the so called ‘bias’ testing would dig further and calculate the statistical backgrounds of those who failed they would more than likely find a trend inadequate education. This background is not the fault of race because California and the United States grant “FREE” and “EQUAL” education opportunities to all its citizens and illegal aliens. How come we never hear of law students who can’t pass the “BAR” and have to retake it several times claiming discrimination? Why do the students who take the LSAT and have higher scores get into the better law schools than those with lower scores and GAP’S?

In the case of the immigrant who has difficulty with the translation necessary to pass the exam, find means through proper preparation or assistance to take the exam not through a lawsuit. On that same note I commend your struggle for my family in early generations had the same “uphill battle.”

These people who didn’t pass simply did not meet the hurdle bar that was agreed upon by them prior to testing. For their inadequate preparation for the testing and retesting and retesting. Why does PMA or any of the workers have to be forced to hire or work with someone who couldn’t meet the standard? Would you like to be operated on by a doctor that wasn’t able to pass some of his exams but sued his way through to get his job? Maybe that’s an extreme example but let’s face it these people want a free ride off all the men and women who have broken their backs down there for years. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen! and while you’re at it get in the back of the line you freeloaders!


Well put Chicano, I totally agree. My application went to a friend that I knew would not let it be wasted. He proved to me that I made the right choice when I found out that because he was not completely sure of how he would do on the test, he enrolled in a class I was told was set up especially to help people pass this test, at CSULB. He went to that class, I think two nights a week, for about a month, to make sure that he would be prepared for that test. He passed, and has about a thousand hours now.

I was told that the class was open to anyone, so how could it be biased except maybe towards people too lazy, or to unmotivated to go that extra step to try to acheive the best possible outcome for themselves?

Knowledge is power, so you know the PMA is all for letting people through the gate, that didn’t even pay enough attention in 12 yrs of schooling, to absorb 8 yrs of learning. They should not be considered as equals to the ones that cared enough to study for that test. They should make them all retest after they are given time to study for it, and lets see how bad they want it, because as far as I know, a person’s intelligence is not determined by their race, so given a month to study for the test, it should be no problem for someone who has a 12th grade diploma to pass an eighth grade level test.

R. TALAMANTES 37032