Bob Abberley (UNISON Ass't Gen. Sec.): I’m here to give the full support of the national union. Dave Prentis unfortunately can’t be here but I think he has written a letter of support. UNISON is a union that always supports its members when they’re in trouble, that’s what a union’s for. I want to pay tribute to the Branch, the Region, to Karen, but most of all to the people who have taken industrial action, because it’s not an easy thing to do, certainly for anyone, but when you’re a healthcare professional it does take a lot of soul-searching to do it. I really think they should feel proud of themselves for doing that (applause) and as far I’m concerned, if you want to see the proper values and ethics for the NHS to have, it’s people who are prepared to sacrifice themselves in support of others who are in trouble. So a message to the Nursing Council, this is the kind of people that you want in the NHS, people who will stand up where injustice takes place. And equally, we always support our activists, because we know that people like Karen put themselves at risk, they sacrifice day in, day out, trying to do what is good for the NHS but also what’s good for our members, and their members, and of course the patients. And we recognise that they put themselves at risk all the time in doing that, and that’s why we are 100% behind this campaign. I think the employers need to realise that we’re not going to go away. We’ve now got a date for the Appeal, and we need to put maximum effort to make sure that justice is done. But this is the message that I want to give to the employers, and it’s really important. A trade union is like a family. And when you attack one, you attack us all. And they need to know that in this case, because they’ve attacked one of our family, we are going to kick them back, good and hard. Thank you. (applause) Martin Rathfelder (Socialist Health Association): Good afternoon everybody. I’m here because, there are lots of things that Karen says and does that I don’t agree with, but I don’t see that you can sack people, just because you don’t agree with them. If we disagree, we have to have some discussions and work out what is right, suppressing dissent is not the way to go forward. And if anyone has brought the Mental Health Trust into disrepute, it seems to me it is their Chief Executive (applause).
Hella Reissmann (Karen’s mum): (applause)You’ll have me crying in a minute. I must be just about the oldest person here, and I’ve also got nothing to do with any organisation, with anything that belongs, except, I’m Karen’s mum (applause). There was a long time through both of our careers when we disagreed slightly, on whether striking was right in dealing with patients. I always thought it was not right, but having recently, over the last few years, seen what is happening, and having realised that working in the health service is more of a bind, than it is satisfaction. Except the health service, Karen, and all of you, support the patients. What Karen did was for patients. And my word I’m proud of her! (applause)
Green Party: ... great to see so many people turn out in solidarity for the public services, Karen unfortunately seems to be one in just a long line of people who are victimised and brought down for speaking out essentially. Their message is, "keep your head down, shut up, we know better", and as long as we do actually keep our heads down, then they’ll continue to laugh at us, they’ll continue to belittle us, they’ll rip us off, and they’ll spend our taxes on things we don’t want them spent on, on global warfare projects, on weapons of mass destruction, on authoritarian ID card schemes etc. etc. So we need to really confront, as a movement, the whole PFI debacle, the whole way that our money is spent. Unfortunately, the major parties are all in agreement on PFI, and that’s why we represent the majority, but the majority are not represented in power. So we need to basically continue to build the movement and show that those in power are not representing the interests of the broader masses of society. Thanks again for turning out, and be ready to fight when it’s your turn. (applause)
Six of us have come from Glasgow to support Karen, and when Karen wins her fight, we can hold our head up high and walk the streets of Glasgow in support of Karen. What I would like to do this afternoon is to invite you all to come to Glasgow just for a Day of Action, just like we’re having today, and show the Council, show the nation that we’re standing together united. (applause) Karen: our struggle is in solidarity with other people as well, so I’ve a cheque here for £500 from the Manchester Community and Mental Health Branch of UNISON to keep you going and good luck, all the luck in your dispute too. (applause)
The market principles of the NHS in England have privatised many of the services, not only in Manchester but across the country. Karen stood up against those cuts, those job losses, the service provision that was lost for the community of Manchester. She stood up against it, spoke out against it, and today Karen has been sacked from her job as a valued nurse in the NHS. That we can’t condone, and that’s why we’re here today to show Karen that we support her struggle, we support her fight, and we will stand up against the sacking of Karen and also in support of Karen. An attack on Karen is an attack on every one of us, as Bob says. We cannot allow this Trust, this employer, to undermine the values and the principles of UNISON, and those principles and those values are built on the lay activists who support the service provision and the people who provide those services. We must continue to speak up against the market principles of the NHS and we must send a clear message to Karen’s employer, to Manchester Health, to tell them that we will not condone their actions and we will continue to fight and speak in support of Karen. Thanks (applause)
Paul Reed: Thank you ladies and gentlemen. When all this started off, we went to Karen and we asked, "can you help us, we don’t want these cuts to go forward". Karen volunteered straight away. If these cuts come in, it means that patients, from having 14 nurses, will go down to 4. Now part of being a nurse, in Mental Health, is part of receiving treatment. It’s not just about medicine, it’s very much about the relationship between the patient and a nurse. ("Connection"). A connection, yes. Manchester Users Network support Karen wholeheartedly, and are asking this Town Hall here, how dare Mr. Cooley, Basil Cooley, turn round and say everything’s ok. It’s not ok, and how dare you say that? (applause)
We also asked her could we start the talks that we’ve been waiting for since June. Obviously, in front of the press, the media, in front of service users, Sheila pretends that she wants talks. The Trust Board pretend that they want talks. They want to resolve this dispute quickly. But as soon as we get into talks, the first thing they say is, "we’re not prepared to discuss Karen Reissmann". Well have they forgotten, or have they not noticed, that this strike is about Karen Reissmann?
It’s about the right to speak out, it’s about the right to defend our NHS. These people are taking vast amounts of money out of a Trust that’s already burdened with debt, and they don’t want to speak about the problems that are right at the heart of the strike. And what we would say to people is, we will continue that strike. You know, we stayed solid, we’ve got the support of colleagues who’ve come out on strike for the first 3 months, we have support from around the country. I always say that the way we look at it, there are many many more of us than there are of them, and we will win! thank you. (applause)
Reena Wood: I’m very proud to be here representing Manchester Local Government branch and the North-West region of UNISON. The first thing that I want to say, particularly to our colleagues who are taking industrial action, is, we give a guarantee, our members in Manchester Local Government branch, will not undermine your dispute by engaging in your work. We give you that guarantee (cheers). I also want to say, on behalf of the North-West Region, very proud to have been participating in this march, along with my colleagues the Convenor of North-West Region Diane Kelly, and the Joint Deputy Convenor Anne McCormick, and we also have with us the Chair of our Health Service Exec from the North-West Region, because what we want to do, is to ensure our continued support. So I think it’s important that you recognise that we are doing everything we can to support Karen Reissmann and all of our members engaged in this dispute. Whilst people might be critical of our Labour Link, I can assure you we’ve done everything we possibly can and will continue to do that. We lobbied Ministers at the Labour Party Conference, we’ve lobbied the North-West Labour MP’s, and I’m very pleased to hear that Tony Lloyd who is Karen’s MP is actually speaking today (applause). That shows you our continued committment, it also shows you what we’re prepared to do in defence of our members. And what I think is important to recognise here, is this issue is not just about Karen, it’s about defence of the health service, and what will help this dispute, everybody here who’s not engaged in it, but is supporting it, if you can write to your MP’s, write to the Trust, write to Sheila Foley, write to the Evening News, write to your local papers, and express your solidarity and support. Because it’s an absolute injustice, it’s against the principles of natural justice, to actually in a cynical move report our members to their professional associations. So I’m glad the Trust aren’t doing that, but it’s not to say they won’t do it in the future, but it’s an absolute disgrace. This is a legitimate dispute with support from the very bottom to the very top. You’ve heard the committment of previous UNISON speakers, so I urge you, don’t lose faith, and continue with this solidarity action, but more importantly, engage people who are not UNISON members and who are not union members but they are service users. This is a citizenship issue and we will fight for the right to defend our health service and our members who we believe are being penalised for being trade union activists. Thank you comrades. (applause)
Terry Perkins (pensioner): Hello everybody, what a magnificent turnout. Im 78, and the reason Ive got up here is because, if it hadnt of been for the health service, I wouldnt be here today. Ive had a number of operations, and I keep reasonably fit. But the way things are going, well have to invite Michael Moore over to make a version of Sicko, the way this country is being betrayed. Aneurin Bevan would be turning in his grave, to see whats happening. (applause) Why all this talk about Mr. Blair goes out and Mr. Brown comes in, its the same thing continuing. When I go up Upper Brook St. and I look at the rebuilding of the MRI, I know it was £350 million. Do you know what the payback is to the American finance company? £1, 000 million. The Americans have always hated our National Health Service, and theyve told them many many years, theyve slowly and insidiously taken over. I was told by a colleague the other day, that NHS, if were not careful, will simply become a logo for a bevy of American financial companies, pharmaceutical companies, who want to destroy the first health service. (applause) Finally can I just remind you, in the richest country on this earth, the United States of America, there are 50 million people who cannot afford health insurance. If I was an American, I wouldnt be here today. They even blocked a bill to give children health care, Bush blocked that. What an obscenity. Thank you.
Mark Hobson (Chartered Society of Physiotherapy): Thank you all for coming. Im a steward with the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy, which has about 30, 000 members, many of whom work in the NHS and many of whom sadly have the experience of the job cuts and the job freezes and so forth. Recently, some of our members in Cumbria fought and won to keep open a community hospital, (applause) so hopefully the same can happen here for Karens reinstatement. Any union that knows anything, knows that without freedom of speech and freedom to organise, youre absolutely scuppered. And those things really really matter to us and weve got to defend them. So thats all Ill say with my CSP hat on. On a personal note Im sure a lot of people here used to read the journalism of Paul Foot, and he said something very important that we need to remember. The NHS is hated by the rich and the powerful, because it is functioning socialism. It doesnt always function particularly well, but its been going for 60 years and it does work, and its the threat of a good example, that they cant stand. (applause) So we need to maintain the threat of a good example. And finally again on a personal note, theres a song that I love about the Spanish Civil War, and the words are apposite. Its, if you tolerate this – if we tolerate what happened to Karen, it will happen to other stewards and it will happen all across the country. If you tolerate this, your children will be next. Thank you. (applause) Compere: Id like to make a very personal thank you to the next speaker because the NUJ were kind enough to give all of us strikers a room where could all heat our backsides having stood on the picket all morning, and also get together and arrange things like this. So please put your hands together for Jenny Lennox of the NUJ.
Jenny Lennox, NUJ: I actually was going to mention the fact that the strikers are in our office, because its wonderful, actually, having a group of workers in our office, talking and thinking about the issues that matter to them, the issues that affect them. And actually that is the sort of thing that employers want to fight, they want to fight workers working together and thinking about the issues that matter to them. And so its really great to see that and we love having them in, its absolutely great. There are a couple of other things I wanted to mention. For one, obviously the National Union of Journalists, we support them, we support trade unionists who are persecuted, and the fact is, Karen is a trade union rep who is doing her job. And whatever you think about what she said, she should not be sacked for saying it. That is a fact, and it is a no-brainer, and every trade unionist gut reaction is to say we must support her (applause) so I think thats really important to remember.
The second issue I wanted to mention is actually something thats very personal to our union, a reason why we have put out an awful lot of information about Karens dispute. Karen spoke to journalists, and thats one of the issues that the Trust have with her. And the fact is that if people dont speak to journalists, we cant tell you whats going on. And its really really important that we dont allow Sheila Foley and others to bully the press out of covering important issues like workers disputes. And so I really wanted to say that Karens done a great job, the nurses are wonderful and I want them to keep up the good work, and we will be entirely behind them. (applause)
Pete Keenlyside (CWU): My names Pete Keenlyside, Im from the National Executive Council of the CWU, to bring support from the local CWU branches, from the CWU North-West Region, and also hopefully from next Thursday from the national union. Its cold, its wet, hey its Manchester so I wont keep you long. But just to make the point that when management go for reps, they dont go for weak reps. They dont go for ineffective reps. They go for reps that are strong, and reps that are effective and reps that do their job. So every time that a rep is attacked, its an attack on their union, its an attack on my union, its an attack on the whole labour movement. And this isnt something that as a union, and as a union were only too, we know only too well what happens when reps get attacked, unfortunately in our union it happens quite a lot. But wherever that happens, as a trade union movement you dont take a step backwards, you dont make excuses, irrespective of the politics or what people have said in the past whether you agree with them or not. You dont take a step backwards, you take a step forward, you say an attack on one person is an attack on me, and when that person gets attacked, whoever is attacking them, Ill stand forward, or Ill come forward, and well stand shoulder to shoulder with those people. (applause) So victory to Karen in her dispute, victory to UNISON in their dispute, and victory to the trade union movement against the attacks that were facing at the moment. (applause)
compere: ...to be able to stand up and be proud, not allow the stigma to touch you because people like us are only one step away from there, it can touch any one of us, absolutely across the boundaries, it doesnt matter what your job is, it doesnt matter whether youre Irish like me, it doesnt matter who you are, it can touch all of us... Paul Abbott has spoken to Chris Bisson whom Im sure you will recognise from Coronation Street and Shameless... Chris Bisson: Its fantastic to see so many people here, Karen you have my full support, and I think that the people in charge should be embarrassed at their lack of judgement, that they would lose a valued member of staff, its a disgrace. (cheers) Anyway, Im here to read a message from Paul Abbott, Paul is very passionate about this subject and youll find out why when I read this. So, word for word: Dear Karen,
Stuart Montgomery: Youre very brave for coming out in this weather, to support Karen. Ive known Karen for 7 years as a user of Manchester Mental Health Trust. Ive been at low ebbs, lost 4 stone, recovered my weight through Karen, recovered my sanity through Karen. Now my brothers in distress, hes got cancer. Hes now in a hospital bed, in Crumpsall. I contacted Team C on Monday, to say hes been taken in. They said to me right, well get in touch with your CPN. I had no contact until Friday. I was paying for taxis, cost me £100, to go to Crumpsall to see him, and to buy him bananas and drinks, orange juice. Mrs. Foley, if anything happens to my brother, I served in Northern Ireland as a soldier, Id sooner have Karen in the trenches, than Foley. (applause) ... she comes to our house and she calls it Montys cafe. She has cake and tea, I take cake, for the monthly injection of Depixol, I take cake to the place where I go, we have a chat with the rest of the patients. They want to cut that. They want us sitting outside, jab, go. Thats all they want. It only costs about £1. 50, and I supply the cakes. Mr. Kipling makes exceedlingly good cakes!(laughter) So when my brother, Mrs. Foley, this is for you. If anything happens to my brother, who I love dearly, there will be blood on your hands. You should hang your head in shame. That girl is marvellous. Shes brilliant(applause) shes a star. And just because the NHS is not Northern Rock. £25 million, £25 billion! Oh thats Sir Browns wages isnt it, £25 million. Sorry about that. Mr. Brown, ho ho, what a joke he is. Bring back Blair, no, no, no, no!(laughter) Well thats all Ive got to say, Ive got to see my brother tonight, and I hope youll pray for him and send him our love. I know Karen will. (applause)
Robert Lizar: Thanks very much, Im really pleased to be hear today, to see a fantastic turnout in support of Karen. I, in my work, advising people under the Mental Health Act, about their rights under that Act and about their rights under the Human Rights Act, come in contact with a lot of people in the same hospitals which are covered by Karen. And one thing is absolutely clear, and that is that Karen was completely right to speak out about the services. (applause) The journalistic cliché about Mental Health Services, theyre sometimes called the Cinderalla services. I know were actually in the Panto season. And of course the comparison is that they involve the employment of people who are dedicated and hardworking, but grossly underfunded. So, what I want to say is, that Karen Reissmann is not in any way a Cinderella. Because, she just didnt sit there passively waiting for a Fairy Godmother or a Prince Charming to bring some funding in to produce a decent service. She spoke out in the way that I think we would all want to hear. (applause)
When we talk in our own office, we used to discuss the changes that the Home Office were bringing in, in relation to the criminal law. We used to joke and say that eventually theyll change the question in Court, how do you plead? Do you plead guilty, or very guilty? And we thought that was a joke. But shes charged with asserting her innocence. I still cant take that in. (thats the Inquisition) So the other I want to say is, the actual charges centre on her going to the press. And there are organisations, there are major commercial organisations who do include in their Disciplinary Code a requirement that you dont talk to the press, you dont disclose material that might be damaging to the company. You can think of Coca-Cola, Astra-Zenica, organisations which have major secrets which they have to protect. What is the secret that this hospital Trust are trying to protect here? The secret is that theyre making cuts, theyre not actually expanding a service which desperately needs more funding. So there can be no justification for that kind of authoritarian approach, to gag somebody who is arguing an argument that we all should be involved in. And there can be no excuse, because the Trust are managing this service on our behalf. (applause) This is a public service. We need to hear this debate.
And finally, when this dispute is won, and it must be won, and it will be won, its a defensive dispute, its to defend somebody whos being victimised for speaking out, the next stage must be that we must be listening again to what Karen was saying. That debate must then be moved on, that argument for good, decent proper funding for Mental Health services, and throughout the National Health Service, must be taken forward to the next stage. Thank you very much. (applause)
Tony Lloyd MP: Thanks very much, I think I can say brothers and sisters today, cant I. Karen is my constituent. Karen and I can probably have a good debate on what we agree on and what we dont agree on, in politics, any day of the week. But Im not here in actual fact in that capacity. Im here because theres a basic trade union principle at stake here. That principle is the right for a trade unionist, an active trade unionist, to speak out about whats happening in a public service, a public service that we, every one of us, owns. A public service that has to be accountable to every one of us here because its the service that in the end, we all depend on. As a member of Parliament, Ive dealt with people, some of Karens own patient beds, over many years, and I know how much people value the services and need the services of the Mental Health Trust, and that service isnt a bureacratic system, thats a service thats delivered by people like Karen, Karen who in passing was offered a promotion at the same time she was offered disciplinary charges. Now this is a bizarre situation, when somebody who is valued by those who use the mental health services, faces dismissal, and faces dismissal for talking about whether that service is adequate or not. Now this is an absolutely fundamental trade union principle, the right to speak out, and the right to speak out on behalf of colleagues, on behalf of those that we work with, and to speak out without fear of the sack, without fear of disciplinary action, so fundamental this is. And I want to pay a word of congratulation to, and I think I speak for Karen on this, to UNISON. UNISON, as Karens trade union, has been absolutely solid from the beginning, Ive been in contact with UNISON all the way through this, it shows what trade unionism is all about at its very best. It shows the importance and the fundamental rights of people, not only to be a member of a trade union, but to have the solidarity of that trade union around them. These are the issues that were talking about. Now I know in fact that one of the issues thats been achieved this week is that Karens appeal will now be brought forward and thats due to be heard fairly soon now. What weve got to make sure is Karen gets through that appeal, and the importance of this is I want to see Karen, and all those of her colleagues whove come out on strike, doing what they do best. Not demonstrating here in the Peace Gardens, not actually out on strike, but back to work making sure that theyre looking after, fairly, the people of Manchester who need their services. Karen, lets get you back to work. (applause)
Karen: I wanted to start by thanking people and theres a bit of a problem, because to be honest I could be standing here for several hours thanking people, because the support that Ive had, since Ive been suspended and then sacked, has been absolutely overwhelming. I mean Ill thank the people whove come today, Tony Lloyd my MP whos been fantastic from the start, UNISON, my union, thats been great, theyve organised a solidarity day on the 5th of December, which is a month anniversary of my sacking, where were hoping to get activities right across the country in solidarity with what were doing here in Manchester. But I also want to thank the other unions whove supported me, the NUJ whove given us offices, the CWU and the PCS, and the other people, the FBU, whove all sent us massive amounts of money and messages of support to keep us going. (applause) And I also want to thank all the users of the service and all the carers of the service, who I think, Sheila Foley and our Trust, have been trying to say are not supporting what were doing, who have shown to Sheila, in the huge number of letters that theyve written, in the meetings that theyve organised, in the protests that theyve come to, that they are as much behind me as the staff and the other people who are supporting the campaign that weve got. (applause) I want to end by thanking my colleagues, the people who are out on strike, because nurses dont go on strike easily, and my mums right, she was a non-strike nurse for all her nursing career, but have come to the point where you think if you dont stand up and be counted, what sort of health service will you have left to be able to work in?(applause) Because if I thought I was standing here, and been suspended and then sacked for being a bad nurse, I would be ashamed to be standing here. Sheila Foley, our Chief Executive, said she was glad she wasnt a nurse anymore, because she was ashamed of what we were doing.
Ive been a nurse for 25 years, its almost just what I am, Ive been a nurse in the same place for 25 years. Ive worked with people like Stuart and many many others, who feel like almost part of my family of what I do. And it is heartbreaking to have that work taken off me by somebody who doesnt care about any of those people who I work with. (applause) Now I havent been sacked for any of the work that Ive done in there, Ive been sacked because Im a trade unionist and a nurse who refuses to accept cuts, and refuses to keep her mouth shut. And if thats what Im accused of, then I plead guilty to that, and I will carry on being guilty for standing up and fighting for the services that I work in. (cheering) And when it comes to money, and we have terrible problems in Manchester Mental Health services, its funny how suddenly, when they want to smash the trade union, and smash opposition to cuts, how they find endless amounts of money. They had two private consultants paid as investigators in my case, theyve had private HR, theyve now got a private PR firm, although I wouldnt fancy taking on their job because I dont see how you can positively sell what theyve done to anybody. When we had our first set of strikes, they paid for people to go to private hospitals in Darlington. They put acutely ill patients on a bus, sent them to Darlington, with no idea when they would come back. And they were there for 17 days, 100 miles from Manchester, at up to £1000 per patient per day. They had the money for that. They now have the money, now were out on strike, theyve paid for 20 private beds at Cheadle Royal, all of which are full, and they have the money for that. And theyve said that money will continue for the duration of the strike, and will end when the strike ends. And you think how come theyve got money at times of strike, but they havent got money the rest of the time? We regularly, as community workers, have people who are very acutely ill, who need to be in hospital, who sit on waiting lists for days and weeks. We have people who are sectioned, with section papers filled in by the medical staff, and those section papers expire and have to be recompleted while theyre sitting on a waiting list to be admitted to hospital on a section. This is an absolute disgrace, and I think it indicates what sort of priorities our Trust has. Money to sack people. Our Chief Executive said she wants an end to bad news stories. Well theres two ways of ending bad news stories. One is that you gag people, and the other is that you stop having bad things happen. We are fighting to stop those bad things happening. (applause)
And I think whats interesting is that its very difficult to find anybody who supports what theyre doing. We have a Labour Government, its 2007, we have a Human Rights Act which says you have a freedom of expression, but the very act of telling people that I was suspended is a gross misconduct charge for which I was sacked. The very act of telling people that I was innocent of those charges, prior to my hearing, was a gross misconduct charge for which I was sacked. And there is a madness, I mean Stuart said the other day its like the lunatics have taken over the asylum, there is a madness about what they are doing, and I think thats why so many people have been here today and so many people are not prepared to put up with it. And I think, I feel very proud to be able to stand up here and to be able to get the support that Ive got. I feel proud of the people who are supporting me, I feel very proud of all the effort that youve put to stand by me in a very difficult situation.
But I also think that we are very very determined. We are determined to stop them getting away with what they are doing. Because if they do get away with it, who will come and speak up next time they want to make cuts? And I think thats why we have to say, to Sheila Foley, and to the Government as well, its a Labour Government, I work for the NHS, I dont work for a two-bit private organisation, we want you to intervene and we want you to put a stop to this. I want to be back at work, looking after people, as do the other people that I work with. And there is an easy solution, to reinstate me, and we can get on with the proper debate on the NHS. (cheering) |